im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
Jeffro, have a good evening. You know that my evidence comes from the Holy Bible. I have no problem quoting scripture in a discussion so that my worldview is at least consistent.
If you ever want to disclose how or why you have such great faith in the laws of logic, without acknowledgement of a lawgiver, I'm always up for the discussion.
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
And you assert a confidence in logic without the slightest clue (at least any that you are willing to share) of why it is reliable. It makes no sense. That is an inconsistent worldview and you deserve better than that.
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
That's why I'm asking for clarification. So, you have an explanation, but you just don't want to share it?
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
The expectation that I should have some alternative explanation at all to compete with your imaginary explanation is a false dichotomy
So, you admit that you have "no explanation at all"?
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
Jeffro,
The reason that you and I both subsribe to, use & have total faith in the laws of logic is because we both know the God of the bible. (Romans 1: 18) We are all "without excuse". You were made in his image same as I and use his inventions same as I do. You know those laws don't change because God "changes not." He is the source of your confidence in reason - truths we agree upon.
What other conclusion could a thinking person come to?
You claim that an assumption of chaos, chance, and physicality can create non-physical, stable and complex conceptual truths from such a source. It makes no sense.
Your worldview is inconsistent and that should be a big red flag to correct course. And, that should matter to you.... logically speaking.
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
Then why don't you please just explain it so I can be free of these superstitions?
Saying laws of logic are true because they are true doesn't explain anything. Is that all you got?
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
These are basic concepts that hold true irrespective of whether things ‘arise by chance’
Jeffro,
Saying it's true because it's true is circular. Are you intending to say that the rules of logic are just a property of the universe? You still haven't answered my fair question as to why you have such confidence in the laws of logic in a chance & meaningless universe.
Don't you want to present a logical and reasonable alternantive to "superstitions" as you put it?
How does a physical chance universe produce things that are non-physical (like reasoning) and things that are imperviouse to chance?
Is a consistent worldview even important to you ?
How logical is that?
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
Jeffro,
Your first sentence is describing the law of non-contradiction. As a Christian, I can makes sense of this law becasue 2 Timothy 2: 13 says God cannot deny himself. Laws of logic are simply a description of how God thinks. Since I am made in his image, it follows that I possess certain preconditions of intelligibility to perceive these laws.
But, how do you know that laws of logic are true everywhere, at all places for all observers? How do chemical accidents like us even recognize these laws? The problem gets bigger when examining why you assume these laws are not subject to chance, location and perception. Have you been everywhere to verify your truth statement? Have you checked out all chance universes to verify this?
Your assumption of universality has no basis, and so your confidence is not consistent with your worldview.
You may not acknowledge God like I do, but at least my worldview is consistent.
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
Jeffro,
I'm not trying to be difficult with you. It is a fair question with no assumptions. I'm attempting to find the source for your confidence in the rules of logic in a chance, meaningless and disinterested universe.
How did the rules of logic that you put great confidence in arrive for you and I to use?
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
@ Jeffro
Everyone recognizes the rules of logic, even Aristotle. But, that is not the question is it?
Where do YOU THINK the rules of logic come from in a chance, meaningless universe?
